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Post by thermite_917 on Jan 15, 2016 19:03:17 GMT
 @714 I'll be honest and say I don't agree with you claiming your scheme was more difficult  Your Tony the Tiger is perfect, and you have more of a base scheme than I do (although in my opinion having the straight orange triangles as well as the curved black triangles looks a little odd together), but I did put a ton of work into the lighting and shadows on my highlighter and squiggle, whereas a cartoon is a little more straightforward. And like Energy said, I created the motto brush just for the decklid, which would be compared to your "They're Grrreat", as well as the Clear View logo, which is more difficult than your equivalent, the Frosted Flakes logo. So all things considered, we both have strong and weak points on our schemes, so I think a tiebreaker was fair. But I know I'm being kind of picky; your scheme is still one of my favorites of yours! Just wanted to give my side of things. 16emo16 Energy Not sure if we have to discuss this one again lol, but probably the only thing preventing you from making it a 3-way tiebreaker was originality. I stand by saying it's not a copycat car, but it's still similar to other Milwaukee PBC schemes. I still can't get over that drill though! That should be in at least the top 5 or 10 for best photo-realistic decals on this game.  Kane88DaleJr A simple yet beautiful scheme. Needless to say, it didn't quite have enough in terms of base scheme or difficulty to go for a win, but it is great to see you try something different!  Andrew6295 You just keep taking small steps and improving each race! The camo is getting better and goes great on a white scheme instead of the usual black. Your sponsor placement for your other logos looks good as well.  Dingerfan I want to like this one a lot, but it just lacks some stuff in my opinion. The base is colorful but it's so simple it almost has the opposite effect as what it should have, and some of the stripes near the bottom bugged me because they suddenly stopped while the others didn't. The in-game text also hurt it a lot. I'd love to see the improvements you make if you intend to use it in the final round!  Vader0309 Very nice texture! The base works really well with the sponsor, and the new number looks awesome. I think some white outlines and/or wheels would help the scheme go from good to great.  not azspud00 This scheme really pops but it is a little busy I think. I mentioned before that replacing the white with black might help. If you clean it up a little and work on where the base scheme starts to intrude on the "Auto Parts" text, it might end up being one of your best! I know you've been kind of discouraged lately, but all you can do is keep going. You'll get better and better with each scheme   imjustarandomdude Like I said to Vader, great textures! It's hard to use two different textures on the same car, but I'm thinking it works here. I'd maybe work on the curved section by the headlights a little and add more sponsors, but other than that, nice job!
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jan 16, 2016 8:42:15 GMT
thermite_917I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. The orange triangles on the side are inspired directly the from the logo and the black stripes are traditional to any Frosted Flakes scheme. I purposely kept stripes off the sides of the car to keep those two aspects separate from each other. The entire base is inspired and related to the sponsor, where as your car is so plain you could take the logos, pen, and squiggle off and have no clue what it was for. I also think you are over simplifying creating a cartoon and trying to over exaggerate the simplicity of adding in highlights and shadow to a brush. Multiple brushes, hundreds of layers, all that could be ruined by just a few misplaced details versus a pen and squiggle that all told has to be less than 50 layers. EnergyI really feel that everyone needs to stop going back in time when scoring. We have been doing these races for five years. People are going to have the same sponsors that others have had in the past. YOU ARE SCORING THE CAR TO THE OTHER CARS IN THAT RACE ONLY. I could care less that jhartwig had the same sponsor last season or if philmnn made a frosted flakes car two years ago. That should have zero impact when scoring the nine cars in race 1.
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Post by not azspud00 on Jan 16, 2016 16:38:32 GMT
I don't have much. Not much time, cramming these cars in, and my Bristol car got a score that it probably didn't deserve. It was messy, probably deserved lower but I'm perfectly happy with it.
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Post by thermite_917 on Jan 16, 2016 17:51:36 GMT
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Yep I guess so. You thought you should have won for the reasons you stated, and I thought I should have won because of my reasons. Yes my base scheme was plain, but when I have so many strong logos and decals, I don't want to overdo it and add a complex base scheme on top of it. You've done the same thing in the past. It's not just about the sponsors. It's not just about the base scheme. It's about picking the car apart and examining it as a whole, and that's why I said we both had stronger and weaker points in our schemes, and why I thought a tie was fair. And I'm not oversimplifying making a cartoon. I know how difficult that can be, but just from my perspective, making something look 3D takes a little more improvisation. You really have to visualize how to create the lights and darks and gradients, whereas in something 2D, it's all kind of right there in front of you. That being said, again, I think my highlighter and your tiger balance out because they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
In regards to your comment to Energy, yes, we should score against the cars in this round only, but then how can we factor in originality? You can't help but think of, "Has this been done before?" Energy thought it had been. People are going to have the same sponsors sometimes, but if they are, it's the job of the creative painter to figure out how to make it different than we've seen in the past in order to get a better originality score. That's also why Energy got so much flack for his car. It was very much so done before lol. But it was still technically a good car compared to those in this round that it was still able to have a decent finish. If you don't want people going back in time when scoring one particular category, then take out that category and let people copy whatever old schemes they want without it mattering. That doesn't sound like a good idea, does it?
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jan 17, 2016 1:10:34 GMT
Every time I have had a simple base with more complex brushes than you had I couldn't even hold a top three spot so maybe that is why I am having a tough time with this. That and if you include the high low scores one score card swayed it heavily in my favor. If we had the other two missing scorecards maybe it would have been a non issue in either direction all together.
Originality especially when you are to score against the cars in that race only doesn't have to mean "has this been done before", it should be more of a reward for doing something that hasn't been seen before. It was intended to be there for rewarding original design, not penalizing against things that have been done in the past. Afterall there is only so much you can do. Ultimately it should come down to difficulty and execution, so those other scoring criteria might be skewing that by adding in to much gray area that is being filled by personal opinion.
So you are right originality should most likely be removed.
Just like taking out the high and low scores should most likely be removed. The way the rules are set up is designed around larger amount of painters. Removing 2 out of only 7 scores really skewed the results based on how close they were.
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Post by thermite_917 on Jan 17, 2016 2:19:06 GMT
Yeah I see where you're coming from. I know that must be frustrating. You really stepped up your base schemes lately and I toned it back for this race, and the car with the more complex base wins more often than not. You definitely deserve to have more wins than you've gotten with how hard you've been working. I mean I did put you first. I just wanted to explain my side of things. And like you said, it really hurts when we have a small field and we still can't get everyone to score. The scores may not be as "true", so to speak, as if we had a full field.
Thanks for clearing that up more. Maybe there was a little bit of a gray area there, and maybe I was looking at it in a more negative way than in a positive way. What if we just changed the originality category to like... "innovative"? Sure there might be personal opinion, but if humans are to judge something, that's just part of it. I don't think there can ever really be a true black or white when it comes to scoring on here, and I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. Paint schemes are essentially pieces of art, and there are always different opinions when it comes to that. I think the way we score is a good combination of technically ability and personal opinion as long as we really take the time to analyze the schemes.
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Post by Vader0309 on Jan 17, 2016 3:01:33 GMT
I thought cars were solid all around 16emo16 Great car, and was a solid effort, to me the top 4 were the class of the field, and while I had you 4th, it was not far off from hitting the top 2.  I really thought this car was clean, and for me that is very important. While complexity is important, sometimes for me the cleaner the better, which is why I rated you second Another clean car, which I like. sometimes a simple looking design goes a long way. I liked this car a lot, which is why I rated you #1 this car really fit the sponsor, and the car looked crisp. It is a shame that it came down to a tiebreaker, because this was one of your better cars, which for me says a lot. Nice car, though it seemed basic. I do believe it matched the sponsor well, but I would have liked to see a little more design to it This is one of your better cars, you are showing improvement, Just keep working at it, and look for ways to get out of your comfort zone. I thought this car was noisy, which is why it wasn't ranked higher. Sometimes it isn't how many layers you make a car, but how it is put together. If you simplify it a little, I think it could turn out real well I really liked the texture it was definitely the best part of the car, and I look forward to seeing more of your cars throughout the year. |
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jan 17, 2016 15:42:29 GMT
...Maybe there was a little bit of a gray area there, and maybe I was looking at it in a more negative way than in a positive way. What if we just changed the originality category to like... "innovative"? ... Actually looking back at the series outline for this year "Originality" has already been taken away "Each car is to be scored based on the following... Difficulty, Execution, Overall Appearance, Base Scheme, and Sponsor Brushes." |
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Post by not azspud00 on Jan 17, 2016 16:47:17 GMT
...Maybe there was a little bit of a gray area there, and maybe I was looking at it in a more negative way than in a positive way. What if we just changed the originality category to like... "innovative"? ... Actually looking back at the series outline for this year "Originality" has already been taken away "Each car is to be scored based on the following... Difficulty, Execution, Overall Appearance, Base Scheme, and Sponsor Brushes." Well we may as well start making replicas everyone. |
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Post by Vader0309 on Jan 17, 2016 20:27:26 GMT
What is with the lack of entries?
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Post by not azspud00 on Jan 17, 2016 21:49:40 GMT
What is with the lack of entries? I may or may not have mine done in time. Internet/Power has gone out a few times the last few days, I was busy all week, and yeah... haven't had much time. But I think I should have something. |
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Post by thermite_917 on Jan 17, 2016 22:14:52 GMT
I intended on entering, but I wasn't able to start on my scheme until yesterday due to having people over for a few days to fix one of the rooms in our house. It was just too busy and distracting over here. I don't have the time or motivation to complete a scheme in two days, especially when I also had to scrap my original idea. Doesn't seem worth it to stress myself out more than I need to this season.
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Post by Energy on Jan 17, 2016 22:29:28 GMT
I'll get my scheme posted here in a bit; I just need to upload the pictures.
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jan 17, 2016 22:31:27 GMT
I had to slap my car together last night since it was all lost last week. Its a rush job and it shows but I will be entering.
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Post by thermite_917 on Jan 17, 2016 23:02:09 GMT
Good luck to whoever enters! I think this breaks a pretty long streak of consecutive starts but it is what it is. I could just enter my highlighter scheme again but I don't want to overuse it. I'd rather sit out a week and bring something fresh next time.
***EDIT: I am entering after all. Please just give me a few more minutes. I'm going as fast as I can. Thanks.
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@714 I'll be honest and say I don't agree with you claiming your scheme was more difficult 
Your Tony the Tiger is perfect, and you have more of a base scheme than I do (although in my opinion having the straight orange triangles as well as the curved black triangles looks a little odd together), but I did put a ton of work into the lighting and shadows on my highlighter and squiggle, whereas a cartoon is a little more straightforward. And like Energy said, I created the motto brush just for the decklid, which would be compared to your "They're Grrreat", as well as the Clear View logo, which is more difficult than your equivalent, the Frosted Flakes logo. So all things considered, we both have strong and weak points on our schemes, so I think a tiebreaker was fair. But I know I'm being kind of picky; your scheme is still one of my favorites of yours! Just wanted to give my side of things.
Kane88DaleJr A simple yet beautiful scheme. Needless to say, it didn't quite have enough in terms of base scheme or difficulty to go for a win, but it is great to see you try something different!
Andrew6295 You just keep taking small steps and improving each race! The camo is getting better and goes great on a white scheme instead of the usual black. Your sponsor placement for your other logos looks good as well.
Dingerfan I want to like this one a lot, but it just lacks some stuff in my opinion. The base is colorful but it's so simple it almost has the opposite effect as what it should have, and some of the stripes near the bottom bugged me because they suddenly stopped while the others didn't. The in-game text also hurt it a lot. I'd love to see the improvements you make if you intend to use it in the final round!
Vader0309 Very nice texture! The base works really well with the sponsor, and the new number looks awesome. I think some white outlines and/or wheels would help the scheme go from good to great.
not azspud00 This scheme really pops but it is a little busy I think. I mentioned before that replacing the white with black might help. If you clean it up a little and work on where the base scheme starts to intrude on the "Auto Parts" text, it might end up being one of your best! I know you've been kind of discouraged lately, but all you can do is keep going. You'll get better and better with each scheme 
imjustarandomdude Like I said to Vader, great textures! It's hard to use two different textures on the same car, but I'm thinking it works here. I'd maybe work on the curved section by the headlights a little and add more sponsors, but other than that, nice job!
I really thought this car was clean, and for me that is very important. While complexity is important, sometimes for me the cleaner the better, which is why I rated you second
