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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jul 29, 2015 5:05:44 GMT
"6- I scored your car relatively low because of one main thing... it looks a ton like your Charlotte car. I like to see painters trying new and unfamiliar styles, and well, this is a ton like your Bud Light car. You're a great painter, don't get me wrong. Don't get discouraged by it." - What I said on your car, 714. Including my personal taste in cars. In your last post, 714, you said you "just liked the #34 more" than the 17 and 10. Let's look back to your rebuttal to my feedback on your #6. "But I get it, you are not the first to mention my base schemes with curved designs, even if they are not your personal preference that is not what you should be scoring." Right... so... with human judges, personally, I feel there's no issue with factoring in personal taste. But if you're going to get on me about it, don't do it yourself. If I were you, what I would do is this: Make a scoring rubric. This time around, you seem picky about how atleast I score. If you really want us to score your way, make a rubric. Make a template that we fill out rather than a simple list and feedback in the thread. And my final thought on your car, 714, are this: The Budweiser text, like Kane's Oreo, is awesome. There's one problem spot that I see in it, but I'd never be able to get it that good myself. Your base, however, looks like your Charlotte car. Based off of that, it just didn't speak Budweiser, but rather spoke "Race #4". That is all. I'm looking forward to seeing what my competitors have to say about my Watkins Glen entry. I did not say that I liked the 34 more as the reason to justify the entirety my scores I said "So I had a tie between the 34 and 10 tied with the 17 a close third. personally I like the 34 just a bit more " that is breaking a tie! There is a huge difference in having personal opinion drive your scores and using it to break a tie especially when you can explain your scoring compared to other cars. We have/had a scoring guide for these races(since ntg'11 almost 60+ races), we used it for race 1 and everyone had to post numerical scores along with finishing order. In fact we have an entire thread on the topic HERELastly since you are going to bring up the base scheme again. I had a lengthy post trying to explain how they are different, not a single similarity to be honest other than some decals sharing the same decal sheets. Which you took as "Way to throw a fit I suppose, " So lets agree to disagree, let it die. Read the scoring discussion thread and if you have any questions or comments on scoring make them there, thanks. |
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Post by jhartwig24 on Jul 29, 2015 5:40:09 GMT
I have to laugh at the whole Kane 1st vs 6th debate. Personally, I'm siding with 714 on this. I also had him scored first on my scorecard, and many of the reasons 714 pointed out are the exact reasons why I also scored him 1st overall.
Thermite, when you ask 714 to give the reason on his scoring, and he gives his explanation using the 10 and 17 car as examples, then you choose to use the 00 car as your example. I just have to laugh. I'm not taking anything away from nightowl, but when you compare the top 3-4 cars, compared to the cars 5-8, there's a huge difference in both quality and difficulty. I understand that you're using the 00 as an example since you scored them both as a tie you said, but when you look at the 00 compared to the 10 car and 17 car which 714 used as examples, there's really no comparison. It's not even a legitimate argument. But that's just my thoughts.
Thermite, I have a legitimate question for you. What made you score the 15, which was a re-entry higher than the 34 car which had a new scheme and a quite difficult brush and logos on the car?
In my opinion, it doesn't matter if a person has the best scheme ever, if it's a re-entry, I cannot see scoring a new car with the caliber like the 34, lower than a previously used scheme. It just shouldn't happen. But again, just my thoughts!
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jul 29, 2015 8:29:14 GMT
6-You just ain't ever gonna win a race, aren't ya? If you combined your first Budweiser scheme with this one, I think it'd fare much better with everyone. A few more colour blends, something I'm figuring out, and more whites and golds like the first scheme would be perfect eye candy. With hartwig running the way he has been I doubt it. Looks like he will go back to back. I honestly was thinking of doing a hybrid between my race 1 car and my race 5 car for the chase. The reason I did not use more whites and golds was because I was going for more of the traditional Red, white and dark blue Budweiser... here is the reference I was using  |
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Post by thermite_917 on Jul 29, 2015 20:08:20 GMT
I have to laugh at the whole Kane 1st vs 6th debate. Personally, I'm siding with 714 on this. I also had him scored first on my scorecard, and many of the reasons 714 pointed out are the exact reasons why I also scored him 1st overall. Thermite, when you ask 714 to give the reason on his scoring, and he gives his explanation using the 10 and 17 car as examples, then you choose to use the 00 car as your example. I just have to laugh. I'm not taking anything away from nightowl, but when you compare the top 3-4 cars, compared to the cars 5-8, there's a huge difference in both quality and difficulty. I understand that you're using the 00 as an example since you scored them both as a tie you said, but when you look at the 00 compared to the 10 car and 17 car which 714 used as examples, there's really no comparison. It's not even a legitimate argument. But that's just my thoughts. Thermite, I have a legitimate question for you. What made you score the 15, which was a re-entry higher than the 34 car which had a new scheme and a quite difficult brush and logos on the car? In my opinion, it doesn't matter if a person has the best scheme ever, if it's a re-entry, I cannot see scoring a new car with the caliber like the 34, lower than a previously used scheme. It just shouldn't happen. But again, just my thoughts! That's kind of my point. 714 compared Kane to the 10 and 17 because he thought those all fell under the same quality. I compared him to the 00 because I thought it was a little bit lower quality (again, no offense nightowl). I could compare him to the frontrunners and explain why I didn't put him up there, but I'd basically just be repeating myself with what I said in response to 714. For the 15, when breaking it down into the categories, I gave him a 0 for originality. I had to. But the rest of the categories scored high enough compared to the 34 that the 15 still came out ahead. |
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Post by thermite_917 on Jul 29, 2015 21:22:32 GMT
How you feel about the milk splash, i feel about the coffee splash on the 00. All that coffee effect is, are teardrops outlined in black, even the white highlight is the same tear drop. I think if he had used some other decals circles, bean shapes etc that could of helped it look more complete. I wish I could find pics of my yoohoo car from ntg'11 to show what im talking about. I did like the use of color on the 00 more of that and less coffee could have had a better presence. Hey 714, you do know you posted your NTG 2011 garage on here right?   |
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Post by nightowl on Jul 30, 2015 4:54:53 GMT
Kane – Quite the hot topic this car has become. Nothing much to add that hasn’t already been said. I think a little splash of contrasting color would add a little pop, Maybe the red Nabisco tag above the Oreo tag?
Gatoradefan – You’ve been super consistent all season long. This scheme had good flow, the checkered pattern looks great. I think you’re loosing points in originality since the bases of your Texas Pete schemes are very similar. Its easy to fall into going with what works, im guilty of it myself. So if I had to guess where you’re loosing points it would be there. The Sheetz brush is really good but looks out of place on the hood to me, like you made a change late in the game and placed it on a Texas Pete scheme. Overall good work though, you’re a dark horse contender every race.
Energy – Nothing much to add that hasn’t already been said. The tire treads going down the center of the hood still look out of place to me, but otherwise still a solid scheme.
Thermite – This is a really good base scheme. If we did a full-on season, I could see this as the one that runs 20 races a year. I love the fading along the side and all your lines are really crisp and clean. I hated to score you as low as I did and it’s not that it isn’t good but somebody has to finish everywhere. I gigged yours for difficulty, not that I could do anything more difficult, but I know that you can.
Leadfoot – Still my favorite base scheme of the season from you. I get where you were going with the sports car like number brush but it needs some work. I think it needs some color to make it stand out. Your sponsor placement is getting better, we need to work on sizing though. Keep up the effort man, you’re getting there.
Dinger – My favorite from you so far this season. The A&W brush is good and its nice placement of an awkwardly-shaped brush. The wood grain is good, but the metal banding could use some more detail, maybe more emphasis on the rusting and the bolts. Overall solid work again, I see it coming down to me and you for the Exide title but Demonte is quickly growing in our mirror.
IJARD - Glad to see you back! Adding DHL to the hood would have cleared up any sponsor confusion, I agree with whoever else said it looked like the Cessna logo at first glance. If you color swapped the base to the DHL Yellow/Black/Red you’d have a nice foundation to a good DHL scheme. Sponsor placement is good, but id feature your custom brushes over the in-games any day. The c-post looks bare without an associate along with no name over the doors. I also don’t see a head/taillight number or a team headlight logo. I don’t believe any of those are required, but they are little details that add to a scheme.
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