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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jun 30, 2015 12:59:38 GMT
I dont think the issues we dealt with last year were that huge many of the sunoco painters ended up still in the target series. Fall off always happens in the chase, painters don't bother to improve spots or try and steal points once they are knocked out
I like what Thermite had to add also I have wanted to try something similar for awhile now. I am thinking maybe a longer season but open multiple races at once. Since many sponsors run multiple races we could add a number of races run as a sponsor requirement.
We could also have an owners championship based on money earned then have a drivers championship based on scoring the races
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Post by Energy on Jul 3, 2015 19:05:57 GMT
I like the mutltiple races idea. Say, if we had 20 (random number) races throughout the year, but you only had to enter 15 to keep the sponsors happy. That would keep people from feeling obligated to enter when they don't want to paint.
And to keep it fair, only your 15 best finishes would count in the standings at the end of the season. So if one person entered 18 races and another entered only 16, the former wouldn't have much of an advantage. How does that sound?
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Post by thermite_917 on Jul 3, 2015 23:08:41 GMT
I like the idea of having only a certain number of finishes count towards your standings. You could choose your own off weeks here and there without it hurting you.
I also just came up with another idea. Maybe we could run a full season of races, but break it down into 4 sections/have 4 "mini championships". Remember when we did the "spring stretch" and "summer stretch"? Maybe we could do that again but make the end of each section its own championship so people can get some breaks in the year. And we'd only have a silly season at the start of each year, not each section. Between each section you could make sponsor changes if you met the requirements or trade painters, but any full "reset" would be after each year. Again, I think an issue we've had is we only "meet" once a month, so it breaks the momentum too much after each race. I'd rather be more involved because it keeps the fun going. If we entered a season's worth of races all at once, then we'd all procrastinate for a month again and still not be ready.
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jul 6, 2015 2:05:11 GMT
Only having certain finishes counting etc. just seems like a lot of work to keep track of. I would need to think of how it would be done.
I was thinking more of doing multiple series.
The premiere series would have two point systems, owner/driver. So we can try a new sponsor setup. Twice a month for 18 races on the season, with a possible chase. The two week gap will allow time to work on complex brushes but still keep a rhythm. Reusing paint schemes would be a major factor to the new outline. I think two painters teams would work well for this series.
The second series would be more traditional. Nine races for the year, it will be open for the top series painters but they will not be eligible for the championship. I would like to see the teams of this series having ties with the top series teams, this way the up and coming painters have a veteran or two to lean on for help and advice. I was thinking three or four cars per team, possibly having the top series guys sharing a car if they were only interested in making each race.
For the new series it would be more like our classic NTG'11 outline. It would be three, three race sprints. With a tenth and final race for the top two finishers judged by painters from the other series that are not entered in the final round. No teams, no sponsor commitments, just run what you want to run.
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Post by jhartwig24 on Jul 7, 2015 13:51:48 GMT
Only having certain finishes counting etc. just seems like a lot of work to keep track of. I would need to think of how it would be done. I was thinking more of doing multiple series. The premiere series would have two point systems, owner/driver. So we can try a new sponsor setup. Twice a month for 18 races on the season, with a possible chase. The two week gap will allow time to work on complex brushes but still keep a rhythm. Reusing paint schemes would be a major factor to the new outline. I think two painters teams would work well for this series. The second series would be more traditional. Nine races for the year, it will be open for the top series painters but they will not be eligible for the championship. I would like to see the teams of this series having ties with the top series teams, this way the up and coming painters have a veteran or two to lean on for help and advice. I was thinking three or four cars per team, possibly having the top series guys sharing a car if they were only interested in making each race. For the new series it would be more like our classic NTG'11 outline. It would be three, three race sprints. With a tenth and final race for the top two finishers judged by painters from the other series that are not entered in the final round. No teams, no sponsor commitments, just run what you want to run. I think this is by far the best idea! As far as the idea of doing races every week, we tried that last year, and we all seen what happened. I honestly don't see how that would work. Even this year with it being a month in between races, we've had people not get cars made and either didn't enter a car or re-entered or just changed a few small details to an old car. If a painter can't come up with 1 new car in a month, why do you think they can make 4 cars in a month? I agree that having a month in between races kind of hurts the momentum and the excitement, but honestly, for me, it's been what has worked the best. I've been so busy this year, that it has taken me almost a month to come up with a new car for each race. Another issue that I feel we need to address is the lack of members in the pbc. I've brought in 2 new painters this season (azspud/DeMonteHD) and I still think that we need to try and bring in more painters for next season. If we are going to try and do a second series, we need more people to be involved and interested! With the old forums being shut down without warning, it has hurt us! We only have 40+ members on these new forums, and I've advertised these new forums on Facebook and even reddit, but there just doesn't seem to be any interest. If anyone has any ideas for bringing in more talented or new painters, I'm all ears for suggestions! |
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Post by thermite_917 on Jul 8, 2015 3:18:57 GMT
Yeah I like 714's idea too. Plenty of involvement but not intimidating or overdone.
@jake: Yes we definitely need more painters on here. This site is basically "invite only" since no one knows about it so the potential for new interest is low to none. The facebook page is the only place I can think of where we might be able to get people, but the interest for actual competitions isn't really there it seems. We may just have pick and choose individual painters on there and message them directly so we can spend more time talking about it.
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jul 8, 2015 4:55:28 GMT
Starting the season with only 18 painters was not ideal but also good given the situation. 25 would be best, I am just not sure there are 9 or so painters on the facebook page or out there on the interwebs that would be interested.
Maybe adjusting the outline is best. I still like the three series idea but maybe less races. The suggestion I gave above was 36 events, maybe we should cut that in half or so.
In the past we had the tier setup and last year we had a championship for an overall painter between the Sunoco and Target series. A hybrid of those with three different series could be the best. This lets some painters focus on one series but if a painter doesn't mind doing 18 races they could go for a overall championship.
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Post by nightowl on Jul 9, 2015 8:54:04 GMT
I may be the minority here, but I like the current format, but Id also be in favor of more events. What if there was a staggered schedule that included standalone events for each series?
FEB 28: (COMBO )
MAR: 7 (SNAP)
MAR: 21 (COMB)
APR: 4 (EXIDE)
APR: 18 (COMB)
MAY 2 (SNAP)
MAY 16 (COMB)
MAY 30 (ALL STAR, NON POINTS)
JUNE: 13 (EXIDE)
JUNE: 27 (COMBO)
JULY: 11 (SNAP)
JULY 25 (COMBO)
AUG: 8 (EXIDE)
AUG 22 (COMBO)
SEP 5 (SNAP)
SEP 19 (COMBO)
OCT 3 (EXIDE)
OCT 17 (CHASE COMBO)
OCT 31 (CHASE EXIDE)
NOV 14 (CHASE COMBO)
NOV 21 (CHASE SNAPON)
Now dates and tracks can be hashed out otherwise, but I used the 2015 Calendar just to get an idea of how this could work out. This is 21 total events and 15 for each series, 20 if the All Star race gets nixed. The minimum for a painter would be 15 races, but a chance to enter up to 21 if a painter is up to the task. This gives everyone 3 events in 4 weeks depending on how the months fall with a few exceptions.
The combination races would work just as they do this year, one entry per painter, per event. (A painter cannot enter a car for each series if it is a combination event) But for the standalone races I’d like to see anyone have an opportunity to enter if they want however you can only collect points in one series.
I really like the idea of “technical alliances” that somebody else mentioned. This is how I would allow Exide Painters to enter a standalone Snap-On event. Snap-on teams would be allotted 2 full time painters and one part-time team that would be reserved for Exide painters in standalone events. This can also be reversed and applied to Snap-On painters entering a standalone Exide event.
Love the ideas being thrown around here lately, really encouraging stuff guys, keep it up.
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Post by not azspud00 on Jul 10, 2015 1:03:50 GMT
I like the ideas to accommodate for the painters who want to paint more, and for those who want to paint less. Personally, I want to go for more. 15 works, 18 works, etc. Hell, we can keep what we have now for that. Then for those who want to paint less, have a championship(s) for them. Personally, Nightowl's setup appeals to me the most.
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Jul 10, 2015 1:12:40 GMT
I really like the idea of the stand alone/combo races. I am going to see how that will fit into the outline I have been writing
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Aug 4, 2015 23:53:45 GMT
Working on finalizing the outline for next season, anyone have any suggestions, questions, comments?
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Post by nightowl on Aug 5, 2015 20:05:30 GMT
Only change I'd make to my above post is the chase races. I don't think the Exide series should end on a combination race. Each series should decide thier champion in thier own event.
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Post by not azspud00 on Aug 6, 2015 6:02:29 GMT
It'd help to know what we've got for suggestions, but that'd ruin the surprise! Hopefully some ideas were taken from everyone's input and put together in such a way that it appeals to, and works with anyone possible.
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Post by imjustarandomdude on Aug 6, 2015 6:43:08 GMT
What about an "All-Star Race."
It'll just be a custom paint scheme challenge, chosen theme/sponsor, but the winner in each series would be awarded some amount of points. Not too major to heavily effect the championship, but a bonus and some pride
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Post by WILBUS_714 on Aug 6, 2015 11:48:23 GMT
There will be an all star race. We are going to have one this season also, it will be after race 10
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